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  • Fixes Metal MUL_MAT_ID for duplicate ids (the new tests from vulkan: handle mul_mat_id duplicates in the prepass rather than looping #29998): the old kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 assumed at most one match per token and a fixed capacity of ne21 entries per expert, which produced wrong or dropped output rows and could overflow into the slice of the next expert.
  • The prepass (kernel_mul_mm_id_map0) builds a compact per-expert list of (token, slot) entries: pass 1 counts the entries of every expert, thread 0 computes the offsets of the expert slices and emits a row map - the total tile count plus one (expert, first entry, valid rows) descriptor per 32-entry tile that has work - and pass 2 fills the slices with one unconditional store per token (stores from divergent lanes are very slow; the dummy value of the tokens without a match lands on a padding slot that is never read), with duplicates handled by a rare branch.
  • Following the vulkan approach from vulkan: handle mul_mat_id duplicates in the prepass rather than looping #29998, kernel_mul_mm_id is launched with a static upper bound on the tiles (min(n_rows, ceil(n_rows/32) + min(n_experts, n_rows) - 1)), reads its descriptor and processes a single tile - the tail early exits. This replaces the previous experts x ne21 grid (mostly threadgroups that launched only to exit, ~94% on typical shapes) and removes the need for any per-expert loop, so duplicate ids are covered implicitly and the kernel's register pressure is back to the plain mul_mat_id level.
  • The ids buffer is sized ne20*ne21 + ne02 (entries + one padding slot per expert); ne02 is passed to kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 as a function constant and its id loops use FOR_UNROLL.
  • Also includes the dispatch limits / pipeline-name fix from the branch head (ne02 <= 1024 guard in ggml_metal_op_mul_mat_id_use_mm, _ne20 pipeline name suffix).

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kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 assumed at most one match per token and a fixed
capacity of ne21 entries per expert, which produced wrong or dropped
output rows and could overflow into the slice of the next expert when
the ids contain duplicates.

build a compact per-expert list of the (token, slot) entries instead:

- pass 1 counts the entries of every expert, thread 0 computes the
  offsets of the expert slices (tpe now holds [base, count])
- pass 2 writes the entries with one unconditional store per token
  (conditional stores of divergent lanes are very slow), the dummy
  value of the tokens without a match lands on a padding slot of the
  slice that is never read - duplicates are handled by a rare branch
- kernel_mul_mm_id reads the base/count of its expert and loops over
  the entry tiles that do not fit into the grid

The ids buffer is sized as ne20*ne21 + ne02 (entries + padding).

883/883 test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID tests pass, llama-bench is within
run-to-run variance of the previous behavior.

Assisted-by: pi:llama.cpp/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-MOPD
use FOR_UNROLL for the id loops of kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 and turn ne02
into the function constant FC_mul_mm_id_map0_ne02 (FC_MUL_MM + 7), so
that the threadgroup offsets of cnt/bas/sids and the prefix-sum bound
fold at compile time.

the pipeline name now encodes ne02 (same convention as the ssm_conv
nc/silu constants) and the map0 pipeline is compiled with the constant
value set. ne02 is no longer part of ggml_metal_kargs_mul_mm_id_map0 -
the dispatch grid still comes from the tensor ne[2] on the host.

no measurable perf change: 883/883 test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID tests
pass, op-level and llama-bench results are within run variance.

Assisted-by: pi:llama.cpp/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-MOPD
@github-actions github-actions Bot added ggml changes relating to the ggml tensor library for machine learning Apple Metal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_(API) labels Oct 12, 2026
follow the approach of the vulkan implementation (#29998): instead of
launching a grid over experts x ne21 entry tiles and letting most of
the threadgroups early exit, kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 now also emits a
row map - the total tile count plus one (expert, first entry, valid
rows) descriptor per 32-entry tile that has work.

kernel_mul_mm_id is launched with a static upper bound on the number
of tiles (full tiles over all entries plus at most one partial tile
per expert), reads its descriptor and processes a single tile - the
tail early exits. This removes the round loop that was needed to cover
duplicate ids past the grid (register pressure: th_max 768 -> back to
the plain mul_mm level) and duplicates are now handled implicitly,
since they only produce more descriptors within the bound.

The grid shrinks by ~8-16x on typical shapes (e.g. 128 experts,
8 used, 512 tokens: 128 tiles instead of 2048 entry tiles, of which
94% only launched to exit) and ne21 is no longer needed by the mm
kernel kargs.

883/883 test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID tests pass. llama-bench
(Qwen3.6-35B-A3B Q8_0) is now faster than master on all pp sizes
(pp2048/4096/8192 +2%, pp512 +0.5%), tg32 unchanged.

Assisted-by: pi:llama.cpp/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-MOPD
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* metal : fix mul_mat_id limits and kernel name

* metal : fix mul_mat_id with duplicate ids

kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 assumed at most one match per token and a fixed
capacity of ne21 entries per expert, which produced wrong or dropped
output rows and could overflow into the slice of the next expert when
the ids contain duplicates.

build a compact per-expert list of the (token, slot) entries instead:

- pass 1 counts the entries of every expert, thread 0 computes the
  offsets of the expert slices (tpe now holds [base, count])
- pass 2 writes the entries with one unconditional store per token
  (conditional stores of divergent lanes are very slow), the dummy
  value of the tokens without a match lands on a padding slot of the
  slice that is never read - duplicates are handled by a rare branch
- kernel_mul_mm_id reads the base/count of its expert and loops over
  the entry tiles that do not fit into the grid

The ids buffer is sized as ne20*ne21 + ne02 (entries + padding).

883/883 test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID tests pass, llama-bench is within
run-to-run variance of the previous behavior.

Assisted-by: pi:llama.cpp/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-MOPD

* metal : make mul_mat_id map0 ne02 a function constant

use FOR_UNROLL for the id loops of kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 and turn ne02
into the function constant FC_mul_mm_id_map0_ne02 (FC_MUL_MM + 7), so
that the threadgroup offsets of cnt/bas/sids and the prefix-sum bound
fold at compile time.

the pipeline name now encodes ne02 (same convention as the ssm_conv
nc/silu constants) and the map0 pipeline is compiled with the constant
value set. ne02 is no longer part of ggml_metal_kargs_mul_mm_id_map0 -
the dispatch grid still comes from the tensor ne[2] on the host.

no measurable perf change: 883/883 test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID tests
pass, op-level and llama-bench results are within run variance.

Assisted-by: pi:llama.cpp/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-MOPD

* cont : clean-up + TODO

* metal : dispatch mul_mat_id entry tiles from the prepass

follow the approach of the vulkan implementation (ggml-org#29998): instead of
launching a grid over experts x ne21 entry tiles and letting most of
the threadgroups early exit, kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 now also emits a
row map - the total tile count plus one (expert, first entry, valid
rows) descriptor per 32-entry tile that has work.

kernel_mul_mm_id is launched with a static upper bound on the number
of tiles (full tiles over all entries plus at most one partial tile
per expert), reads its descriptor and processes a single tile - the
tail early exits. This removes the round loop that was needed to cover
duplicate ids past the grid (register pressure: th_max 768 -> back to
the plain mul_mm level) and duplicates are now handled implicitly,
since they only produce more descriptors within the bound.

The grid shrinks by ~8-16x on typical shapes (e.g. 128 experts,
8 used, 512 tokens: 128 tiles instead of 2048 entry tiles, of which
94% only launched to exit) and ne21 is no longer needed by the mm
kernel kargs.

883/883 test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID tests pass. llama-bench
(Qwen3.6-35B-A3B Q8_0) is now faster than master on all pp sizes
(pp2048/4096/8192 +2%, pp512 +0.5%), tg32 unchanged.

Assisted-by: pi:llama.cpp/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-MOPD

* cont : add smem assert
auRose94 pushed a commit to auRose94/llama.cpp that referenced this pull request Oct 28, 2026
* metal : fix mul_mat_id limits and kernel name

* metal : fix mul_mat_id with duplicate ids

kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 assumed at most one match per token and a fixed
capacity of ne21 entries per expert, which produced wrong or dropped
output rows and could overflow into the slice of the next expert when
the ids contain duplicates.

build a compact per-expert list of the (token, slot) entries instead:

- pass 1 counts the entries of every expert, thread 0 computes the
  offsets of the expert slices (tpe now holds [base, count])
- pass 2 writes the entries with one unconditional store per token
  (conditional stores of divergent lanes are very slow), the dummy
  value of the tokens without a match lands on a padding slot of the
  slice that is never read - duplicates are handled by a rare branch
- kernel_mul_mm_id reads the base/count of its expert and loops over
  the entry tiles that do not fit into the grid

The ids buffer is sized as ne20*ne21 + ne02 (entries + padding).

883/883 test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID tests pass, llama-bench is within
run-to-run variance of the previous behavior.

Assisted-by: pi:llama.cpp/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-MOPD

* metal : make mul_mat_id map0 ne02 a function constant

use FOR_UNROLL for the id loops of kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 and turn ne02
into the function constant FC_mul_mm_id_map0_ne02 (FC_MUL_MM + 7), so
that the threadgroup offsets of cnt/bas/sids and the prefix-sum bound
fold at compile time.

the pipeline name now encodes ne02 (same convention as the ssm_conv
nc/silu constants) and the map0 pipeline is compiled with the constant
value set. ne02 is no longer part of ggml_metal_kargs_mul_mm_id_map0 -
the dispatch grid still comes from the tensor ne[2] on the host.

no measurable perf change: 883/883 test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID tests
pass, op-level and llama-bench results are within run variance.

Assisted-by: pi:llama.cpp/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-MOPD

* cont : clean-up + TODO

* metal : dispatch mul_mat_id entry tiles from the prepass

follow the approach of the vulkan implementation (ggml-org#29998): instead of
launching a grid over experts x ne21 entry tiles and letting most of
the threadgroups early exit, kernel_mul_mm_id_map0 now also emits a
row map - the total tile count plus one (expert, first entry, valid
rows) descriptor per 32-entry tile that has work.

kernel_mul_mm_id is launched with a static upper bound on the number
of tiles (full tiles over all entries plus at most one partial tile
per expert), reads its descriptor and processes a single tile - the
tail early exits. This removes the round loop that was needed to cover
duplicate ids past the grid (register pressure: th_max 768 -> back to
the plain mul_mm level) and duplicates are now handled implicitly,
since they only produce more descriptors within the bound.

The grid shrinks by ~8-16x on typical shapes (e.g. 128 experts,
8 used, 512 tokens: 128 tiles instead of 2048 entry tiles, of which
94% only launched to exit) and ne21 is no longer needed by the mm
kernel kargs.

883/883 test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID tests pass. llama-bench
(Qwen3.6-35B-A3B Q8_0) is now faster than master on all pp sizes
(pp2048/4096/8192 +2%, pp512 +0.5%), tg32 unchanged.

Assisted-by: pi:llama.cpp/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-MOPD

* cont : add smem assert
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